Chat Transcript
Tina Mascaro
Hi from Fairmont State University (WV)
Bob Gough
Hello everyone, Bob @ William & Mary in VA
Patty Williams, UNE
Patty Williams, University of New England
Justin Furlough
Justin Furlough - University of South Carolina
Max Miller, Swarthmore College
Max Miller, Swarthmore College.
Lauren Newlin
Lauren Newlin, Aquatic Program Superson, Henderson NC
Jami Brossette
Jami Brossette- Assistant Director of Rec Sports LSUS
Chris Buckner
Howdy everyone. Chris Buckner from Mainline
Adam Troelstra
Adam Troelstra - Butler University
Christian Duvall
Chris Duvall - GA Club Sports University of Cincinnati
Hunter Hartley
Hunter Comp Sports GA at University Nebraska at Omaha
Nick White
Nick White - Missouri S&T
Anthony Almeida
Anthony Almeida- Recreation Sports Coordinator, Long Beach State
Sandra Ondracka
Sandra Ondracka - University of Windsor
Adam Hickle
Adam Hickle - Colorado School of Mines
Christian Duvall
Go Rolla!
Anthony Turon
Anthony Turon: Assistant Director of Student Engagement at Connecticut College
Kristen Alexander
Kristen Alexander - UMBC
Tiffany McChesney
Tiffany McChesney -- Nova Southeastern University
Camille Jackson
Hey everyone! Camille Jackson from Embry-Riddle
Tina Mascaro
if hosting an esports tournament for intramurals - how many t
Civon Thomas
Civon Thomas Assistant Program Coordinator- The Ohio State University at Newark and Central Ohio Technical College
Tina Mascaro
how many 'teams' do you let in, how long does it last
Jill Krantz
Jill Krantz University of Pittsburgh
Alex Kossoff
Alex Kossoff - Asst. Director of Intramurals and Club Sports Jacksonville University
Kevin Makarewicz
Kevin Makarewicz - SUNY New Paltz
Ben Nelson - Minnesota State, Mankato
Ben Nelson - Minnesota State University, Mankato
Drew Meadows
Drew Meadows - Charleston Southern University
Zach Gentz
Zach Gentz - Arizona State University
Shana Kessler
Doc on terminology and resources: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iCu5shUICivOcVNmnM_LqJwXzjd4zUrc4dDm1J9V2aQ/edit
Spencer Dalzell
Spencer Dalzell - The Central Washington University
Shana Kessler
THE Central Washington, welcome Spencer!
Shana Kessler
If anyone has any questions, feel free to drop them in the chat or send them directly to me :)
Ian Brown
Seems like Geex and Mission Control are two main players for overall esports management, I'm curious what folks think about pros/cons of each.
Jami Brossette
^^^
Ian Brown
Also, how does Discord fit into all of this, if at all? Seems like a chat platform, but I'm having mixed reviews of it.
Spencer Dalzell
I know discord is very popular among the hardcore gamers because it offers chat rooms to talk on a mic while playing games
Max Miller, Swarthmore College
What recommendations do you have for no-cost games that participants can play on a console or a computer?
Michael Pappan
Mission control is very helpful with marketing but its about to cost a couple thousand dollars to run
Christian Duvall
not only is it a chat platform it allows talking and video like this platform. It is the main communication tool for gamers primarily due to being able to be a part of a culture
Dan Wrenholt-Washburn
Used MC last year, they basically do it all for you after you pick a game/league to create. Their site is still in Beta form with many things not working yet
Charles Carter
I can share some information on Discord I run a few discords for different esports programs
Civon Thomas
I've met with reps from both company's recently. That was very helpful.
Benjamin Nelson
Our IT is having issue getting security info from Mission Control like an End User License Agreement.
Chris Anguita
QUESTION: What games are not acceptable to offer in Campus Recreation? Is anyone offering Call of Duty, Valorant, Counter Strike, Battleground?
Christian Duvall
Cincinnati will not be running those unfortunately
Christian Duvall
Overwatch is the only FPS style game we will be running
Spencer Dalzell
Central does not run those either as of right now.
Civon Thomas
Ohio State does not allow most FPS games
Brian SMITH
I don't have any specific information on either system. Honestly, I would ask your students what they think is best. They both will cost you money. Battlefy would be a company you could look into for a free option.
Heidi Hurley
NIRSA associate members specific for esports: https://www.nirsa.org/wcm/wcm/BG/BG_Search.aspx?WebsiteKey=75dea602-e911-478d-b061-91876fecc73d&Category=ESPORTS
Ian Brown
Quick Follow up Shana, which software did y'all end up going with after you dropped Geex?
Shana Kessler
We ended up just using Discord and IMLeagues, no outside platform at this time
Parker Goss
snaps Justin!
Ian Brown
^^
Brian SMITH
We are doing the same as Shana at UCLA.
Mike Wozniak
Also, our students are going to play these FPS games anyway. We would rather bring them together and create community rather then let them feel isolated.
Charles Carter
The best way to get those games approved is have a community behind them that want to see it.
Zach Gentz
I have just created general LFGs on our Discord. That way if they choose to play those games we can at least get our messaging about healthy gaming in front of them. Nothing is specifically advocated for
Mike Wozniak
Yes Charles!!!
Max Miller, Swarthmore College
How are you updating your participation waiver now that programming is moved to virtual?
Justin Furlough
remember that not all of the games NEED to be competitive. party games like jackbox are great to offer as well.
Joshua Shaw
we've sent surveys to our leagues/intramural database to get player #s
Joshua Shaw
top 3 were NBA2k, NHL, FIFA
Christian Duvall
Working heavily with our Esports Clubs
Montrell Cade
Survey via IMLeagues message center
Mike Wozniak
Polls in our discord, presenting to student orgs (mostly greek orgs), checking clubs on campus.
Adam Hickle
At Colorado School of Mines we are running games based on what games our Esports club plays on campus. They are the driving force for getting more students to participate.
Spencer Dalzell
what do those leagues look like through games like 2k? or games that are not FPS based?
Charles Carter
If you have games that aren't competitive, Discord is a good way to filter people into communities for those games. You can have students click a button to be added to a group of people who are interested in Animal Crossing, Jackbox, etc, and then they will be surrounded by others who enjoy those games too.
Christian Duvall
it is usually based in pool play and then a final bracket
Christian Duvall
round robin that determines their seeding similar to how a normal IM league would be set up
Spencer Dalzell
I guess specifically for a game like 2k is it mycareer, myteam, do they get myplayers to team up as a squad of 5?
Christian Duvall
Usually you can run best of 1s or best of 3s depending on the length of the games
Spencer Dalzell
just want to know how best for us to start it here at CWU! thank you!
Tina Mascaro
how long would a tournament last?
Charles Carter
Spencer I would look at what bigger tournament are doing and try to follow that. TWU is running our first 2K tournament and we are leaning on other big tournament rulesets that are agreed upon by professionals to give our students
Christian Duvall
a week to two weeks depending on how many teams or participants you have
Camille Jackson
Reached out to my staff see who already games. I used that group as a test group for rules and what they thought games would work. We settled on 2K, Madden, FIFA, NHL, Rocket League 1v1 and league of leagues. LoL has not gone well most people did not complete their matches.
Christian Duvall
The difference between video games and im sports is that playing multiple games back to back is not a big deal compared to playing a double or triple header
Joshua Shaw
for games that we received low numbers of responses we're offering matchmaking service
Christian Duvall
so being able to squeeze multiple matches or rounds in a day is completely possible
Christian Duvall
it just takes more organizing the more you want to get through in a day
Kathy Obuszewski
I know I was having issues with Jackbox,
Kathy Obuszewski
it is better to play close together
Zach Gentz
Any luck finding any free board game simulators?
Spencer Dalzell
awesome that is super helpful thank you!
Joaquin Vidal-Collazo
Apex Legends is popular and free
Thomas Dougherty
Is there a limit to the amount of people that can play with jackbox games?
Christian Duvall
tabletop simulator is the best option
Max Miller, Swarthmore College
Thomas — Yes, each game has a limit.
Charles Carter
Usually 6 to 8 people
Christian Duvall
its not free though
Mike Wozniak
Zach, not many that wouldn't raise flags in our legal department haha
Tiffany McChesney
I have yet to find a free simulator, but TableTop simulator is only $20.
Drew Devore
https://tabletopia.com/
Christian Duvall
it is max $19.99
Drew Devore
here is a site for board games
Christian Duvall
tabletopia free is extremely closed off unless you pay for the subscription
Justin Furlough
it’s mainly for screen sharing these party games. once you go remote it’s assumed that lag will play a part in things
Christian Duvall
tabletop simulator is one time fee that goes on sale frequently
Justin Furlough
definitely recommended that you plug in directly to your internet for most stable connection as possible
Tiffany Lane
My friends and I played www.skribbl.io (free multiplayer drawing & guessing game
Tamara Speziali
We've played https://skribbl.io/ too!
Charles Carter
I am interested to know if any varsity programs out there have scouted for players to replace graduating players on current teams?
Joshua Shaw
What is a realistic expectation for monetization potential for recreational offerings? thoughts on price points on tournament entry? alternatives to cash prizing? - Josh (Carleton U)
Matt Dunigan
Going to go through and still implement it if/when we come back
Christian Duvall
Josh it is difficult, it depends on what you plan to offer with the recreation aspect
Ian Brown
Is anyone using Stadia?
Christian Duvall
if you have a space to use that is an option to charge money for as well as "swag" similar to what you would win for an IM tournament or league
Parker Goss
Something like a "gaming café" model has always made sense to me. ~2 dollars an hour or so to play during open gaming hours would subsidize hardware replacement well
Christian Duvall
look to LAN centers for examples of a revenue model for a "café"
Parker Goss
^
Christian Duvall
they are very willing to talk about what they do and how they organize themselves and tournaments/leagues
Christian Duvall
I can touch on it briefly if no one else has stuff
Mike Wozniak
We offer a gaming café. It requires that the players own the game however, so that poses a challenge for new players.
Parker Goss
Licensing is also a sticking point when it comes to running gaming tournaments, Blizzard brought that to my attention in the past
Christian Duvall
https://www.ggleap.com/
Christian Duvall
Licensing is terribly annoying to deal with...
sylvain Tchaptchet
does charging a fees for IM not break the licensing agreement of these games?
Christian Duvall
It depends on the games
Christian Duvall
Riot Games can be strict at times
Christian Duvall
for league of legends
Parker Goss
has anyone else had above average forfeit rates for esports programming specifically?
Mike Wozniak
Parker, that does seem to be a problem. We found a much higher forfeit rate in our free to play leagues. Charging a forfeit fee or something to penalize them would probably work pretty well.
Dan Wrenholt-Washburn
First year running esports but yes, even allowing them weeks to play never able to play actually
Christian Duvall
Forfeiting in games is a much different culture than in sports
Parker Goss
I have experienced the same thing at both eastern Illinois, and university of Illinois ^
Parker Goss
Also seconding what Christian said
Matt Dunigan
After our first week, we have had some teams not responding to schedule their opponents to schedule a time to play.
Christian Duvall
it is more prevalent for a variety of reasons, but it has the unfortunate mindset of "It is a waste of time to keep playing this complete loss"
Mike Wozniak
We also allow all teams to join our bracket after the round robin stage, so if there are forfeits, then those teams are eligible for exclusion in the final tournament.
Montrell Cade
How easy is it to stream on twitch if you aren’t the one physically playing the game?
Christian Duvall
you need a very good internet connection
Christian Duvall
and or computer
Drew Devore
NIRSA Competitive Sports Information Hub Link: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0AEwjsSoqCmSDUk9PVA
Matt Dunigan
Pretty easy actually
Parker Goss
Many games also have a convenient "spectator view" that actually makes it better to stream as someone whos not playing
Trumaine Becoat Wade
Has anyone used the new facebook live streaming platform they have for esports? Or is anyone familar with this at all?
Tamara Speziali
anyone streaming on youtub?
Trumaine Becoat Wade
Facebook gaming is a new app they created to compete against twitch
Spencer Dalzell
as a fan of gaming Twitch is typically the most recognized for live streaming but it is worth looking into Mixer as that is the most direct competitor for Twitch right now for live streaming platforms
Christian Duvall
facebook and youtube gaming are still considered to be smaller markets for video game streaming
Trumaine Becoat Wade
That's good to know, thanks for info!
Matt Dunigan
WE have been doing the same @Sylvain
Drew Devore
Share all of your esport material here: NIRSA Competitive Sports Information Hub Link: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0AEwjsSoqCmSDUk9PVA
Christian Duvall
If anyone wants to view TableTop Simulator or talk about other Esports topics feel free to email me duvallca@mail.uc.edu
Christian Duvall
im looking for information and other talks to help with my formal esports push and capstone
Shana Kessler
anyone who wants to ask further questions can email me at kesslers124@gmail.com
Matt Dunigan
YAY DREW!!!
Chris Anguita
Can you say thedate and time of the trivia again?
Ian Brown
Thanks all.
Matt Dunigan
WEdnesday 5 pm PST