I really like that idea of taking the 'stigma' out of it, and looking for reactions.
Hello from Sandra Ondracka - University of Windsor - Canada
Good tips for starting a program at a small school
Are here any risk management issues?
Joining from Georgian College- Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Hello to everyone, Natosha Harris from University of Kentucky
We have struggled getting engagement in our esports intramural offerings currently. Obviously we realize that IMs are probably the farthest thing from their mind, but is anyone else struggling with this and how are you working to fix it?
we had a club start and fail but a big hurdle was the equipment necessary to compete on the club level. did anyone else have run into the same issue? besides funding does anyone have a good way to clear that hurdle?
@ Jason.... me too. I'm offering a couple of virtual programs and no one is participating
Can we talk about the feasibility / pushback of FPS (first-person shooter) games and where some people’s campuses stand on that?
At University of Kentucky, the only risk management issues with Esports are if we host on campus in a building or a facility on or near campus...we would have to update our waiver if we host in a facility
@Darby where are your marketing efforts going? Like who are you marketing to?
@Jason, we're running into the same issue. Had a few signups but struggling to get people to issues challenges and report scores.
@Darby - I sent out a message through IMLeagues to all our participants from the last 6 quarters letting them know we were there for them and inviting them to our discord channel. within 2 hours we went from 0 members on the discord outside of our staff to 30, which to me is a win and a good starting point.
I 2nd Hannah's question!
@Drew using our usual marketing tactics (social media, IMLeagues blasts, and discord for our on-campus esports student org)
At Kennesaw State we have been told we cannot support first person shooter games in an intramural capacity. We do have Club Sports group/RSO group that support this type of gamming.
My approach to esports in this first iteration of the formal programming is that nothing is a struggle since it is new for my campus (Swarthmore College). Any and all participation is a success!
Instead of doing ladder leagues and having teams issue challenges I am sending emails out to schedule games. like an intramural season and then giving teams 72 hours to play and report the score.
RT Hannah questions + adding UFC onto the list of games
I also 2nd Hannah's question. students in our discord are already asking for COD and I'll have to get approval to run it.
Jason, we just ran a virtual marathon and a Madden tournament. The marathon had over 200 participants. while the Madden had less than 20. The 20 participants we do have our linking up and reporting scores on time though.
I like that attitude, Max!
UK at this time will not do shooter games for our model follows our high school association Esport set up so best practices in the state of Kentucky
I'm currently running an online FIFA 20 tournament. We promoted through our social media sites. Reporting scores have been ok, but our students don't understand a double elimination tournament.
At Wayne State College, we do allow any games that are FPS. As long as it is not like a GTA, we are good with any game.
How do you guys run a Fornite or Call of Duty tournament?
00:42:54NAU - Crystal Durham
We are doing the same method that Jacob mentioned. It's already unusual for our participants to set up a time to play on their own and report the score. I didn't want to add the new feature of ladder leagues into that mix. It has been fairly successful
How is everyone integrating Twitch and streaming into their tournaments??
What is GTA?
Our campus has competitive esports teams and they include COD and Rainbow 6, but we haven’t tackled those in IMs.
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@Ty Grand Theft Auto
Natosha, that is a great point. Many state HS federations have expanded to include eSports. We can look to them for some best practices regarding FPS.
@Darby I used my staff first. Go them stoked for leagues. Then moved on to the fraternities. We’re sitting at close to 100 total people in now and leagues started on Friday.
A general suggestion… When talking about “typical” sports terminology such as “double-elimination” or “round-robin”, it’s important to demystify the jargon and explain everything so that people are aware of what the terms.
Community days organized through our discord. Just getting a bunch of people together to play a game they like, then creating impromptu private lobbies, etc. Builds community and friendly chat!
How do you guys handle game settings for games like Madden or 2K? Do you require a certain difficulty level (All Madden)?
@ Bob tried not to reinvent the wheel in trying to figure it out
for A&M San Antonio and Ashland University (former), we were fine with FPS. It's more so about structuring of practices and how the marketing is done to show that strategy and teamwork are the main points, not the violence
Hey Laurie, I have encountered some hesitancy in getting into eSports because of its sedentary nature which some think is the antithesis to fitness and wellness... What would you recommend to get the message across to someone of the old school Rec Sports mindset to positively incorporate this into our programming?
I have started working and starting conversations with student involvement
I spam our socials and email
@anthony we looked up the competitive rules on the pro leagues and went those
hey everyone. Jeremy Fritz at Christopher Newport University in VA. I just ran a bunch of tournaments (2K, Madden, FIFA, NHL on both Xbox & PS4) using IMLeagues. I had 60 students create 82 teams. The communication part was tough but I just created our first CNU Discord channel so Im hoping that will help. Does anyone use a combination of IMLeauges and Discord? Also, how does everyone set up leagues for team games- Rocket League, COD, League of Legends, etc?
Id liken discord to Slack if anyone is familiar with Slack
Is there anyway to manage discussions in Discord? I.e. language
Something we have to realize is that a lot of these people in the gaming communities aren't engaged with campus recreation at all. (that was the case with me when I was a student) I don't think you can just reach out to gamers through IMLeagues or your social media.
@jacob there are tools that canhelp you manage that;
^ bots can be coded by those smarter than myself!
has anyone used Microsoft teams instead of discord?
How do we get students that aren’t normal gamers to participate?
@Anthony we have our participants set the settings to the highest level in games like 2K and FIFA
@ Dan, great question definitely struggling with this
Beyond out current situation - how many schools actually have equipment for rent to students, or an esport room that can be used in the rec centre
00:46:18NAU - Crystal Durham
our president has been giving video updates regarding COVID19 and she gave us a shout out which was great but it was after registration ended :(
How are they reporting scores? Through IML, email, google form, etc?
We set up GroupMe
00:46:40NAU - Crystal Durham
@Easton we have our folks sending a photo of the final score to our IM email address
Mirroring from what Scott Flickinger is working to create, I am creating a Words with Friends League on campus.
Not the traditional tactic but shoutout to those programs utilizing Game Pigeon and other phone game apps. Very creative!
We set up Groupme for each league. Commication has been very easy.
At the University of Nebraska, we have leagues made for FIFA,Madden,NHL, Rocket League and 2K. We have added them to league specific GroupMe chats so they can report scores and find times to play each other in an open play format
@Easton we are using the self report score feature on IMLeeagues
@Easton self reporting on IMleagues or email our office
@Easton I allow them to enter their own scores on IMLeagues, but if they cannot figure it out they email us and we post the score
we have our students report scores on imleagues and take a pic of the score and post in our discord so there is no argument of honesty
We did leagues as well with reporting through a google form
@ Sarah, no renting of equipment...UK is building a gaming facility so that's a huge help for us...scheduled to open in the Fall 2020
We are doing Bingo, Euchre, and Family Feud next week. In addition to Jackbox games which were already mentioned
At Eastern Illinois we partnered with GGLeagues as they are offering free 6 week leagues on their platform, but with mixed results in terms of sign ups
@Brian, to piggy back an answer, the way I've described it and discussed with traditional sport coaches, there's always going to be sports that people don't consider "traditional". Golf, cheer, bowling, etc. I try to focus more on the ability for esports to reach out and engage students that would not otherwise have that in their time at school.
@ Jake love this
USF system has been using Battlefy to report scores, it sets up brackets and players can upload a screenshot of their final score
does anyone have rules that they use for game settings on their websites that I could access?
From Jake Wells to Everyone: 03:17 PM
We are doing Bingo, Euchre, and Family Feud next week. In addition to Jackbox games which
For those using IMLeagues, did you all create your own game settings for participants to follow?
I know our coordinator here at Southern Miss is working with Ole Miss and Mississippi State to try and set up some competition across the state with our individual campus IM winners
@Parker, my University UNI has been in touch with GG Leagues as well.
At Oregon State, we are offering Madden, NBA 2k, FIFA, Rocket League (1 v 1, 2 v 2, 3 v 3, and 4 v 4), and Smash Bros as leagues. Fortnite as a weekly tournament. We are also running weekly trivia, virtual running groups, and a step competition. We have over 600 teams and close to 400 unique participants. No FPS and have limited games to Teen rating. Looking to add a few more games in the coming weeks. We set game setting standards across all the sports.
At Univ. of Miss. we utilize online games through Game pigeon (checkers, 8 ball, etc)
Does anyone have a waiver they could share on sportsmanship and behaviour for this sort of activity and how do you administer this virtually - through IM leagues?
Mitch that's awesome
so similar to how they do the march madness brackets?
I know that a lot of state associations are creating state leagues for esports.
I’ve seen this with PIRSA and MARS
How many schools stream their tournaments on Twitch? School run or let students stream themselves??
Nebraska is working on a state tournament for esports. If we get a good turnout I would love to set up a regional tournament for region V
at Gettysburg would love a national Rec w/o Borders competition (really like quarantine quiz show)
Anything going on for Region 1? Sorry I just logged onto this call
@Steve, I have not heard this... Wayne State College here. Can you give me more details?
Region IV has an esports tournament for NBA 2K, Madden and Fifa
@Matt definitely recommend having an official channel, creates opportunities for students to be involved in areas like production, casting, etc.
We also let students stream freely to their own channels as well from the facility, sometimes limited during practices or events that don't allow it.
00:51:13Aaron Brooks - The University of Akron
Dylan, it is really hard to hear you
Louisiana schools have joined together and are currently going through our esports League through mission control. Shout out to Jason Templet for getting that together!
Looking forward to regional/state competition for esports by NIRSA. From state of Florida
@travis we are also supporting students to host on their own channels
we are working with other school in the UC system here in California for tournaments
We are working with our on campus TV Station to potentially broadcast select games and have their staff do play by play
Anyone looking to continue this type of programming over the summer?
Has anyone tried to do a MLB tournament?
There is a esports student org that has been streaming and commentating the games if we do have them
How is everyone! How is everyone having their students submit their scores for leagues or tournaments?
Mountain West is looking into a tournament. Call this week. Shoutout Craig at Fresno State for setting that up!
@scoot we are attempting for year round
@scott Lotze we are doing online recreation for the summer as well and blended programming for the future
yes Im planning on offering it over the summer
Twitch has a student/university program where you can get in touch to get a team page setup and they even offer an academic component to work with other departments on your campus
@jeremy they have to submit a picture of the score to me via email within 24 hours.
Running an MLB tournament starting tomorrow at Fairfield. Same game rules as the MLB Players Tournament
^ love that
What are the basic requirements to have a functioning "facility" for esports?
Does anyone have rules that they use for game settings online for FIFA, NBA2K, NHL, Madden....
@Sandra dedicated space with equipment available for students to play/practice
00:55:24NAU - Crystal Durham
yes my student employees have been a life saver with esports
@Chirs I have FIFA, 2K and Madden if you want
Does anyone have suggestions on how to determine who is Home/Away for MLB, NBA, NFL?
if you can email to Chris.Keough@dal.ca that would be awesome
For the rules- I was shared this resource at a previous roundtable- https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19zzZpOAUJFaD4vu6xboXK3A4-NpRRkW8?usp=sharing
@ethan we run leagues like normal intramurals and schedule games like traditional intramural leagues. That way you can have an equal number of home and away for a season. For playoffs, higher seed is home.
@jacob ah makes sense. We are experimenting on whether or not we would want to do a short season for each game or a double elim/style.
@Ethan we use the IMLeagues schedule to determine home/Away for the first game of each match and then alternate every game. Matches are best 2 of 3 or 3 of 5 depending on the actual game.
@ethan for straight tournaments by suggestion is a best of series were teams alternate home. Then if it goes to a third of fifth game it is random
What are strategies to handle issues with students entering tournaments not affiliated with the current student org or club? For example, a group of individual students entering in a Rainbow 6 tournament but not currently part of the Esports club and listing themselves as a collegiate team.
@jacob @mitch thank you both!
Can we talk about the feasibility / pushback of FPS (first-person shooter) games and where some people’s campuses stand on that?
RT Hannah I'd love to see that discussed next
@Hannah and Shana - Same!!
At SDSU we avoided FPS games. The kids all want Warzone right now, but it’s not a good look for the university.
For FPS- we've been told that's a hard no. As a Jesuit Catholic university, the admin doesn't want any type of affiliation with those games. A recent survey we sent out, over 150 students requested versions of FPS games but that wasn't enough to convince our admins. (Santa Clara University)
@Parker - Same here at UCR. Yet we have had a lot of questions about UFC.
Although we haven't offered any yet, we have talked about allowing FPS because we're only programming for those 17+ and that's the requirement for M rated games. That could change but that was our initial discussion at UW- Madison
Would like to see what everyone else thinks on this since technically it's a "sport"
No excessive violence games (ex. GTA)
Creighton will certainly not support and photo-realistic FPS games.
I think FPS is always the hot topic issue but the data shows that FPS doesn't increase violence can might even decrease it.
for someone who is not a gamer...which games are FPS games?
First Person Shooter
Do some campuses allow Fortnite but not games like Call of Duty due to the difference in "realism"?
think call of duty
We developed a Rubric to help select which games are appropriate for our campus at OSU
@Shana, we are not allowing COD, but have Fornite based on realism and game rating
I understand the concept but just don't know what the games are: what is League of Legends and OVer Watch, Rocket League?
01:07:01R. Chris McCollum
We are not allowed to offer shooter games.
What programs are yall using for your esports for small/big schools? Or what was your preference on deciding which program to use?
@civon can you share that rubric? firstname.lastname@example.org
We have Overwatch, CS:GO and R6
We feel the students are going to play those games anyway, and we want them to feel included and that they belong at our university.
@civon can you also share the rubric Alison.email@example.com
plus they are all over 18, so they are free to explore those game options.
I think with how popular Call of Duty is becoming, especially Warzone, it will be hard to ignore from students soon, as far as demand, no?
I'd also like to see that rubric please! firstname.lastname@example.org
@Mike -- Same thought
Agreed with @Mike
Our competitive student org fields Overwatch, Rocket League, COD, Rainbow Six, and League of Legends. For IM purposes we programmed Madden and 2K this year but will be expanding and offering an IM Esports schedule this next year but likely steering away from the ones that the org offers to not take away from them.
Also, studies are inconclusive stating whether it makes players more violent outside of games.
@civon I'd like to see the rubric as well email@example.com
UCF - Those are run at the competitive sport club level
01:10:40Chad Van Dyk
How are folks funding the creation of a new e-sports portfolio? Pay-to-play, getting equipment donated, simply making an investment?
I will get the rubric out to everyone who inquired
@chad - investment. Our President found the resources (100K)
@Darby we are in the same boat, sticking to sports games for intramurals and directing our students to the student org for those titles
University administration may be a good source. Our VP of IT had funds to use for our eSports program at Texas State.
@civon I would love a copy of the rubric as well! firstname.lastname@example.org
I would love to get that rubric as well email@example.com
@Dylan, could you mention those orgs that facilitate/approve tourneys in the chat please? Also, if you're just running one-offs or smaller tournaments, is it necessary to reach out to them - like when you get a license to show a movie?
Funds were for computers, accessories. Our student center provided space and chairs.
What was the rubric for again? - must've missed it
Pitt is also interested in the rubic please
@civon- Ill take a copy of that too if you don't mind
@civon can I have a copy of the rubric too firstname.lastname@example.org
@civon, same please email@example.com
01:13:19Bob Gough W&M
How many computers for an open-to-the public vs. team practice?
$250K??? Lol - that is like 5x my entire Rec budget! Lol
For schools that are not allowed to offer FPS. Using discord to at least connect students who are wanting to play those games may be the next best thing
@Civon, me too please firstname.lastname@example.org
If i recall, we had 12 computers for practice in a dedicated space for a club and 6-8 or a public space.
@Steven, thank you! good suggestion!
civon - i'd be glad to look at it as well.
yeah we're kind of in a financial crisis and I'd imagine most schools are expecting to not be able to build a 200k facility in the next year.... what can we do now to support our students in egaming and in building programs in this new age?
Any suggestions for noise cancelling? We have a very tight space without much movement flexibility...
@Civon - I would be glad to see this rubric as well - email@example.com
Like portable barriers?
anyone have success setting up sponsorship to start up a program
Same here as far as a financial commitment from the school - we need basics
01:15:41Rebecca Seguancia - Cal State Long Beach
@civon, would love to get a rubic too, please? Becca.firstname.lastname@example.org
can I get the rubic to email@example.com
@garrett what did 10 cost?
Does anyone use Geex?
Has any school tried to attach a physical activity incentive to these gamers - considering the amount of time sitting for this "sport".
We’d like the rubric too - firstname.lastname@example.org
@Civon - I would also like to see this rubric as well - email@example.com
I have been told that Razer is developing a gaming laptop checkout station that could be a more affordable option. Allowing them to find their own space in the facility or build a very basic room where people can take these laptops and play
@Garrett Larson, How many SQ FT is your Facility?
EIU dropped 70K to update meeting room into Esport Arena with 13 computers including the coaches.
Probably for a cost of $20,000 or less
The total cost without a special promotion we got would've been $35,699. We got it for just north of $20,000. Equipment
01:18:50Chad Van Dyk
Same here for the rubric, Civon. firstname.lastname@example.org
Southern Miss - We have a dedicated space currently in our union that we will be renovating into an arena. For the time being they have been able to use the space though to bring their own equipment, but we saw that they preferred to stay in their rooms and play than to haul their equipment over for practice. We did also brand the space as the Esports Lounge so they felt some ownership in the area.
Adelphi University has a game development major run through the Math department so they are updating a room through academic grants so we are trying to piggyback some of the things we need through that grant and collaborating with the Math department
has discord fixed the voice channel issues? they have been extremely unreliable for me in the past
We are just getting started are there any fundraising suggestions?
What about club teams that win? You take $ as well?
UCF - club teams keep their money as long as we did not allocate student funds for that specific tournament
thanks for the dialogue, gotta scoot to another mtg.
Gotta head to another meeting. I hope you guys do a part 2!!
I would like to see part 2 as well.
At Kennesaw State, we permit clubs to participate in tournaments/leagues that have cash winnings or items of value. We collect 10% of winnings that comes back to the Club Sport program. The remaining 90% is given to the club and can be dispersed as they see fit.
Tespa is really good with working with and responding to administrators as well
I have to jet but see you all at RecWithoutBorders Trivia tomorrow night!
Great information for a newbie! Thank you
esports or Esports rather than eSports or e-sports is a good start correct?
yes the dash is not as accepted
Thanks so much for sharing the information and experiences for us novices. :) Can we do this weekly lol
I really appreciate all the help! I am brand new to all of this! I think our administration is also looking at using the e sports as a way to bring several academic depts together